Santorum's Christian Values

I think Santorum stepped in it with the birth control thing. I don't see how him saying "enhanced interrogation"(EI) means he is actively promoting torture. He may be guilty of being naive by in a sense promoting EI without knowing it could have in the past amounted to actual torture. I think the vagueness of your assumption is unfair. This is the same as when us rightwingers say pro-abortion politicians are complacent to murder. A complex situtation widdled down for effect.

Plus I have seen waterboarding, you can definitely call it torture, but I have to question your source of someone surviving being waterboarded 183 times. Is that even possible?

" I have to question your source of someone surviving being waterboarded 183 times. Is that even possible?"

This is a well established fact. see here

I don't think you can chalk it up to naiveness. Santorum went out of his way to lecture McCain on this issue. Why in the world would he do that if he didn't think he knew what he was talking about?

Santorum: "[McCain] doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works. I mean, you break somebody, and after they’re broken, they become cooperative."

How exactly does Santorum think you "break somebody"?

It doesn't make sense, the New York Times says 183 times a month, that is 30 days straight of 6 times per day of torture? Sounds like a stretch to me.

I don't think Santorum agreed it was torture. Some of the EI techniques one could argue rose to level of torture but a blanket label that all of them were is also a stretch. Can someone be broken without torture? It happens in police interrogation rooms everyday.

"It doesn't make sense, the New York Times says 183 times a month, that is 30 days straight of 6 times per day of torture? Sounds like a stretch to me."

That's exactly what happened, and the CIA destroyed the tapes of it.

"I don't think Santorum agreed it was torture"

But the view of his religion says that it is clearly torture, and that's the hypocrisy.

I haven't had two seconds to research it but if waterboarding is actual torture how the hell does someone survive that long? I don't buy it at all.

His view of religion say it is clearly torture? That is weird.

This is from the Catechism:

"Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity... Non-combatants, wounded soldiers, and prisoners must be respected and treated humanely. Actions deliberately contrary to the law of nations and to its universal principles are crimes, as are the orders that command such actions. "

"if waterboarding is actual torture how the hell does someone survive that long?"

I don't understand why you think torture would have to kill someone.

On your link above, this Fox news story says the 183 times was splashes of water, I knew that had to be bogus.

To the best of Rick Santorum's knowledge did we actually torture people or did we just interrogate them? I don't think you can prove he specifically believed we tortured people.

And for the life of me I don't know how you do a post like this when the vast majority of Democrats are open about their religious faith while still claiming to be pro-choice. There are no Christian values in abortion.

they made him feel like he was drowning 183 times. We are in agreement.

"I don't think you can prove he specifically believed we tortured people."

Shouldn't he know, or try to find out? Especially if he's going to lecture McCain on the subject?

let's be more clear. This person was leaned back and had water poured over their nose and mouth 183 times. This is clearly torture. What kind of christian defends torture while railing against things like birth control?

What kind of christian?

No one gives a shit about this. Even if it is torture who cares? Santorum has just has much deniability as any other Senator or Congressman. They were told as was everyone else that we were not torturing people that we followed specifically outlined methods of enhanced interrogation. If that EI lead to torture that doesn't mean everyone is guilty or less Christian.

I don't generally get into debates based on decisions made during the fighting of a war. War turns liberals into liars and criminals so regardless of any truth they all believe what they want to believe. It is like trying to go to a birther convention or a Bush 9/11 conspiracy meeting and trying to sway opinion, it is a waste of air. Find a President that hasn't tortured someone at some point.

I believe the torturers are the criminals, not those that oppose war

And those criminals saved a lot of lives.

Calling torture "Enhanced Interrogation" is like calling rape "surprise sex".

If it's not torture, you go through it. Dogs, stress positions, hypothermia. I'll spare you the waterboarding, since we agree that's torture.

Except we don't know if those criminals saved any lives at all. What was happening at Abu Gharib (however you spell it) was simply for shits and giggles. It wasn't about saving lives.

embryonic stem cell research will save lives. Why do you oppose it while defending torture? What kind of Christian values are those?