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Fairness Is Only Politics

Thomas Sowell of RealClearPolitics wrote a great piece titled the Fairness Fraud which talks about the class warfare coming from the left. I think this is very relevant now that we are seeing this "occupy" crowd of idiots pushing fairness while droning on and on about taking somebody elses money.

I have never been able to grasp the lefts notion of income inequality mainly because I don't care. The lowest of the low living in a cardboard box under a bridge can pick himself up, get into college and better himself and his life of ending up living in box had nothing to do with the rich. Granted it may be easier to get into Harvard or Yale if you are wealthy but you still have to work your ass off. Are there other ways to help the downtrodden earn success?

Sowell makes an interesting point here:

Countries whose politicians have been able to squander ever larger amounts of a nation's resources have not only failed to make the world more fair, the concentration of more resources and power in these politicians' hands has led to results that were often counterproductive at best, and bloodily catastrophic at worst.

This has been proved time and time again. Right now we have states taxed to the max and in places like New York it is killing business because companies and millionaires just move to more favorable environments. The justification of this taxation is fairness, but are things any more fair? We still have 'inequality" and we still have the left preaching tax the rich. Mix this with knee-jerk regulatory policies after bubbles bursting and we have what we have today, an economy being outpaced by a snail.

I think what is important now is recognizing what place money works the best. Do zillions of zillions of dollars work better in the hands of the government or in the hands of the people? Government does serve a purpose but government can be a hindrance when politics is the only motivating factor. As Sowell notes, raising taxes on the wealthy isn't fair but it is beneficial politically. Shouldn't we if there is a perceived inequality help the downtrodden build themselves back up versus taking from someone else and handing it over?

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reckoner said 3 months ago ...

there are tons of countries that have very little government. All are shit holes compared to american and europe. It seems that the only thing that is proven is that big government works.

sean_renaud said 3 months ago ...

How do you suggest we help the downtrodden without taking from someone else and handing it over. Here is reality.

We have a plate with twelve cookies one guy gets ten, ten guys get two.

bake more cookies!

The guy who has ten cookies owns the oven and demands he gets ten of every dozen.

Build a new oven!

The guy who has ten cookies owns the oven company and demands 9 cookies from any oven he makes.

Make a new company!

Shit that's too expensive none of us have enough money. . .FUCK.

outlander said 3 months ago ...

Reck-The question is not whether big government works or not, does it work effectively?

But an important question now is all this talk about fairness now? Haven't all these liberal policies of entitlements and taxing the rich all ready been attempted? Has anything gotten more fair for the poor and downtrodden? Build up the poor and downtrodden with education is better than stealing from the rich for a handout is my point here.

reckoner said 3 months ago ...

"The question is not whether big government works or not, does it work effectively?"

yes, it does. Here's a test, name one country with small government that is a nice place to live. There are tons of countries with small governments in the world, yet I can't think of a single one that is a decent place to live.

outlander said 3 months ago ...

No, the better test is name one country that has our economy and system of government. Just because you can show smaller governments that have failed doesn't mean bigger government is better. Just on waste alone you should be for smaller government because the more government the more waste. A billion dollars is nothing in the hands of the government as shown by Obama's stimulus but the same money working inside the capitalist system being used by the people would work far better.

sean_renaud said 3 months ago ...

There are no two countries with the same economy, government and location. Your challenge is utterly unanswerable. As for waste nobody has any accurate metric of how much the government wastes. We have no reason to believe that the same money working inside the "capitalist" system would work far better either.

reckoner said 3 months ago ...

"Just because you can show smaller governments that have failed doesn't mean bigger government is better. "

That's not what I'm saying. No country that has small government is a nice place to live. All countries that are a nice place to live have large government. This is strong evidence that big government works, and small government doesn't.

outlander said 3 months ago ...

Reck-You just repeated the same thing so I will repeat the same thing. Absence of one thing doesn't mean the opposite is better. Plus come on how many big governments around the world are terrible places to live? And you are dodging the question(s). You say big government is effective yet we still have poverty, we still have this big claim of income inequality, crappy economy, and a boatload of waste. Shouldn't our big government have solved these problems?

And what is also laughable is you of all people rail against government representatives while at the same time claim you want a whole bunch more creating a whole bunch more government.

And if you want proof of nice places to live look at State governments. How do states all over the country balance their budgets but the federal government can't?

reckoner said 3 months ago ...

list the top 5 countries you'd choose to live in, now tell me if they have big or small governments!

"How do states all over the country balance their budgets but the federal government can't?"

They often balance their budgets by taking money from the federal government. The big blue states like CA and NY send more money to the federal government than they get back, while the small population red states take more federal money than they send.

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