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Can men like these be forgiven?

This is the third time this week I'm bringing up General Butt Naked because he's such an interesting character for me. He puts in sharp focus the cognitive dissonance I see in religion that I can't seem to work out.

I mean, I understand the concept of salvation, redemption by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That by accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior, your sins, both original and committed (derivative?) are forgiven. The outworking of God's eternal plan to deal with the problem of human sin, redeemed in Christ and will ultimately destroy all the devil's work, including suffering, pain, and death. (Though it is my understanding that God was the one that cursed Adam to return to dust and toil on the earth by the sweat of his brow and suffer while he is alive and so on) I've gone to enough church, read enough of the Bible, studied enough of early Christianity and European history to have a vague understanding of these concepts. I wouldn't call myself an expert or anything by any means, and I am always interested in learning new things, but I get the feeling that I have read and studied the Bible more than the majority of the Christians out there who predominantly just nod their heads at the pulpit every Sunday without giving their faith much thought. I guess that's the thing with cafeteria Christians who attend non-denominational churches. They practice on a superficial level so that they can feel like they have a monopoly on morality or something.

I know. That's a very cynical view of organized religion and I know that as individuals, most people aren't like that. I don't doubt or question other people's personal relationship with their gods. That's not my place. I just want you to know that it took me years of reflection, careful deliberation, academic research and soul searching to get to the spiritual desert that I currently reside in. The well of faith simply went dry for me.

I sometimes envy the religious. I imagine that it's a nice feeling knowing that you walk with the divine. That self-assuredness the faithful have and the strength that they draw from is something that I don't minimize. The world being full of doubt can be a frightening place sometimes. It must be comforting to know that God has a plan for you, everything around you. Kinda releases you from the responsibility of having to navigate your life. Jesus take the wheel. Literally. Sometimes I wish I could believe. That would make my life a lot simpler. But alas, that's just not the way I am wired. That's not how faith works, I'm afraid. I wish I bought into an obscure sect of illiterate desert dwelling goat herders with their cannibalistic rituals that propagated through the highways of the Roman Empire, but it's just not enough for me. I just can't suspend my disbelief for that long.

In a similar vein, I sometimes envy the blissfully ignorant, and the stupid. I am not saying that the religious are stupid or ignorant at all. What I am saying is that it must be nice to have everything laid out for you so simple and easy. To navigate one's life full of doubt, uncertainty, hyper-aware of everything around you is a difficult task sometimes. Especially to be surrounded by it 24/7, never letting up. They say ignorance is bliss, you know? That means to be hyper aware of every situation has to be some kind of hell. See what I'm getting at?

Anyways, I've digressed. I wanted this post to be about General Butt Naked, so I'll write a little bit about him now. His real name is Joshua Milton Blahyi (born September 30, 1971). General Butt Naked was his Nom de Guerre, or his "War name". He was a former leader for the Liberian warlord Roosevelt Johnson, who fought against Charles Taylor, the president/dictator of Liberia at the time. General Butt Naked and his soldiers either fought in the nude or in womens clothes because they believed that dressing in such manner gave them special powers and that they were immune to bullets. Why yes, they were high on drugs while they were in pitched gun battles. How did you guess?

He was a tribal priest. Initiated at age 11 and according to him, participated in his first human sacrifice. During the course of the three day ritual that followed, Blahyi says that he had a vision in which he was told by the Devil that he would become a great warrior and that he should continue to practice human sacrifice and cannibalism to increase his power. He came into power in Liberia by becoming the spiritual advisor to the former president Samuel Doe, as they were in the same tribe. He would regularly sacrifice a victim before battle, usually a small child, someone whose fresh blood would satisfy the devil. "Sometimes I would enter under the water where children were playing. I would dive under the water, grab one, carry him under and break his neck. Sometimes I'd cause accidents. Sometimes I'd just slaughter them." In January 2008, Milton-Blahyi confessed to taking part in human sacrifices which "included the killing of an innocent child and plucking out the heart, which was divided into pieces for us to eat."

He claimed that his nakedness in battle was demanded by the devil and that he "met Satan regularly and talked to him" and that from the age of 11 to 25 he took part in monthly human sacrifices. That's monthly human sacrifices for 14 years. 168 months. Not to mention a sacrifice before every battle. In his account of a typical battle Blahyi claimed, "So, before leading my troops into battle, we would get drunk and drugged up, sacrifice a local teenager, drink their blood, then strip down to our shoes and go into battle wearing colourful wigs and carrying imaginary purses we'd looted from civilians. We'd slaughter anyone we saw, chop their heads off and use them as soccer balls. We were nude, fearless, drunk yet strategic. We killed hundreds of people – so many I lost count." Blahyi also purported that during that period he had "magical powers that made him invisible" and a "special power" to capture a town singlehandedly, then call in his troops afterwards to "clean up". Some of Blahyi's soldiers – often teenage boys – would enter battle naked; others would wear women's clothes.

During the First Liberian Civil war he led a mercenary unit, many of whom were child soldiers, that was known as the Butt Naked Brigade. They were funded by Roosevelt Johnson and fought alongside the ULIMO (United Liberation Movement of Liberia for Democracy) militia against militias led by Charles Taylor and Prince Yormie Johnson. ULIMO was loyal to Samuel Doe, who was killed by Prince Johnson. Charles Taylor eventually took control of the country.

Conveniently enough, when his side lost, or as his side was losing, he had a theophany in which Jesus Christ appeared to him as a blinding light and told him that he would die unless he repented of his sins. (Obviously not taking into account that he, like everybody else, will eventually die) He makes it to a refugee camp on Ghana, and at the camp. he makes confessions of his sins at a Church there, "had his life saved", and becomes a born again Christian. He has since become a preacher and the President of the End Time Train Evangelistic Ministries Inc. When he goes out to preach now, he says he sometimes encounters relatives of his victims. "I feel very bad, so bad", he said, but he insists it was satanic powers that possessed him in the past and he cannot be held responsible.

At least on a positive note, (more positive than a former warlord turned preacher?) he has since expressed willingness to be tried for war crimes at the Hague. He's not the only one that should be tried for war crimes in Liberia, as their civil war was a particularly bloody conflict involving child soldiers and rape squads and mutilation and all the horrors of war and then some, but I guess he has truly repented and is a changed man now. In January 2008 Blahyi returned to Liberia from Ghana and claimed before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Liberia that between c. 1980 and 1996 he and his men were responsible for the deaths of more than 20,000 people.

In the United States, Reverend Travis Beck and Pastor Robert Letner Jr., have begun spreading Blayhi's message of redemption and forgiveness. This has resulted in the flourishing ministry of the Trilateral Church of the South.

I guess his story is one of ultimate redemption and forgiveness.

But for you Christians out there. Would you consider his story inspiring? Could you forgive a mass murderer and a cannibal? I know that you don't have to forgive him, as you can't judge him. Only God can. But do you feel comfortable knowing that there is a place in Heaven for him? Are you looking forward to meeting him in the afterlife?

And if you are, are you also prepared to meet thousands of Nazis who wore a belt buckle with the inscription "God is with us" as they exterminated the Jews and the Poles and the Gypsies and 1 out of every 7 Russians among others? Who genuinely believed that they were doing God's work? Or the Spanish Conquistadors whose wholesale slaughter of the indigenous people of South America for the greater glory of God and the Spanish Empire? Or the hordes of Crusaders who burned and pillaged their way through the Middle East to get to Jerusalem for the glory of God?

And ladies: In a world full of rape squads, honour killings and flesh peddlers, do you believe that you will go to hell for an abortion? For using an IUD?

This is the cognitive dissonance that I'm having a hard time resolving. I like to consider myself to be a pretty decent kind of a guy. I'm nice to people, polite, helpful, kind, or at least I try to be.

To quote Homer Simpson: "I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell?"

Besides, due to God's omnipotence, everything is predetermined, including who gets to go into the kingdom of heaven. Free will doesn't play into it at all. In fact, you can't petition the lord through prayer. It does nothing. You can't sway the lord in your favor. Not even the Pope can do that. According to the Calvinist doctrine of predestination, God "freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever comes to pass." Without the doctrine of predestination, God becomes a paradox. As in: Could God make a chili so hot that even he can't eat it?

Well? Could he?

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outlander said 4 months ago ...

Anyone can be forgiven. And mainly because forgiveness for our sins comes from God. I don't buy into a lot of mainstream Christian views of heaven and hell. I don't believe that bad people go to some eternal torment and I don't believe all good people go to heaven. I follow the scriptural doctrine that at some point everyone will be resurrected, judged, and the earth being restored to its original form, like the garden of Eden. I certainly don't believe everything is predetermined.

grapekoolaid said 4 months ago ...

Predetermination is the key concept in many protestants. It verifies the omnipotence of God as a theological absolute, that God's will is unknowable, yet transfixed. It answers the God's five alarm chili paradox. There is no chili that is too spicy for God. Not even the one he makes. Because he is omnipotent, he would never make a chili that is too hot for God.

Another version of this paradox is could God microwave a burrito so hot that even he can't eat it? And the answer is the same. Predetermination is the only answer to God's omnipotence and free will is illusory.

A jaded way of looking at this is that the concept of forgiveness gives Christians a free pass to act all shitty, that the fallen earth theory allows Christians to shit on the environment without an iota of shame or guilt. Because their sins both original and derivative can be and is so easily forgiven as long as they repent. This I believe is the reason why Newt was able to brush off his infidelity with such nonchalance. He's not alone in this matter either. I see a lot of people behaving in this hypocritical manner and yet still have the gall to assume that they have a monopoly on morality.

Stating that you don't buy into a lot of mainstream Christian views suggest to me that you do practice a version of nondenominational cafeteria Christianity. While I have used that term (cafeteria Christianity) in the past derisively, I am using it this time purely in an observational sense. Picking and choosing parts of the Bible to suit your needs is something that is done all the time. By all kinds of people. Nobody lives strictly by the word anymore. It's just not done (not to mention the fact that you could get some serious jail time for living in some ways that the Bible suggests).

However, by picking and choosing parts of the Bible to be in concordance with your beliefs imply that you already have a certain set of ethics or a code of morality that antecedes the book. Meaning that you don't derive your morality from the book, rather the book affirms it. Does that make sense?

And if General Butt Naked can be forgiven, it makes my little transgressions seem relatively minor, wouldn't you say? Though I am unrepentant, so I guess that could be a strike against my favor.

outlander said 4 months ago ...

We Christians shit on the environment? Is this because we don't believe in more your doctored, falsified, and really really loose science that makes up Global warming?

Good God no more, talking religion to an atheist is like trying to talk pity to a serial killer.

All Christians and nearly every other faith hold a universal set of beliefs but differ on doctrine. If you pick and choose universally held beliefs then you fit into your catagory, not me.

grapekoolaid said 4 months ago ...

You confuse me sometimes. On one hand, you say that you don't buy into the mainstream Christian views, and then on the other hand, it's "We Christians". You cast your lot in with the ones you don't particularly agree with? I don't understand.

And I was merely pointing out that perhaps the "fallen earth" theory and the immediate forgiveness of transgressions makes dehumanization and not caring a little easier to swallow. Is this not a valid argument? Is this point not worthy of discussion? If you disagree, and care about the future generations more than your own salvation, wouldn't you want to bring that topic to light?

See, I can separate myself from the issues and talk about the issues at hand without injecting my own emotion into it. I understand that because you are discussing your faith, there is a lot more investment on your part. That's fine. If you want to dehumanize, demonize me, compare me to a serial killer because I shake the foundations of your faith, that's fine too. Please remember that just because I attack your position doesn't mean that I am attacking you as a person.

Being a moral relativist, I can (and do) pick and choose the good parts of all faiths and incorporate them into my own set of morals and ethics. I have no problem with doing such because I am aware that my morality doesn't stem from a book. It's something that is inherent within me. The parts that I do pick out from various books affirm my code of ethics and morals. I don't derive any authority from them. See the difference?

There's nothing wrong with picking and choosing parts of the Bible to suit your agenda. All people do it. That's because the Bible is not the wellspring of morals. You are your own wellspring. You decide what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's bad. The Bible just affirms your beliefs. That's all I'm saying.

Being a cafeteria Christian is not a bad thing because that's the only way to be. Nobody lives by the book. You'd be in an asylum (or jail) if you attempted to live by the book.

outlander said 4 months ago ...

The term Christian can mean Catholics and can also mean Mormons. There are a number of different Christian faiths but we all hold universal beliefs, like no murder, no telling lies, no stealing, etc..

I could also point out because atheists don't believe in God much less fear God (meaning fear God not because he can hurt you but out of respect, similar to how you'd respect a Grandfather) then that means who cares? No afterlife or punishment so transgressions don't really mean anything.

I don't get offended and you cannot shake the foundations of my faith. I wasn't comparing you to a serial killer. And I will bet if you trace the origin of morals and ethics you'd determine it came from either the Bible or some form of religion.

grapekoolaid said 4 months ago ...

"we all hold universal beliefs"

Like transubstantiation. Or was it consubstantiation? I forget. Predetermination, too. That a universal belief? Some might consider it so, though you reject it. Calvinists and Presbyterians would tell you that they believe very strongly in predetermination.

As to your second paragraph, you're assuming that moral authority is derived from God (and his magical book) whereas being an atheist, I reject that notion. Instead, I counter-propose an argument that empathy can generate the same "universal" truths that you speak of and can derive moral authority from that alone. No afterlife or punishment, so immediate transgressions are that much more important because that's not how I would want to be treated. Like I mentioned earlier, I don't need the fear of God, or divine retribution, or karma, or the fear of hell into coerce me to be good. I can choose to be good for the sake of itself.

I don't disagree with you that the religions do hold certain "universal" truths (as in don't be a dick, be nice to people, etc.). But this is really in the "no duh" category. I don't need a book to tell me to not be a dick. I don't want to be a dick because I don't want people to be a dick to me. See? It is more likely that a book or a holy text or scroll of some sort affirms our morals. They are not derived from them. It's a simple argument.

Your faith cannot be shaken because you are clearly unreasonable when it comes to this matter. That's okay. That's what it means to be faithful. To be steadfast despite the evidence to the contrary. In that sense, you make the perfect soldier of Christ. That's what your faith tells you to do. To be rigid and unflinching in your faith. Being a moral relativist that I am, I can choose to be more flexible, pick up the good parts of various faiths, reject the stupid parts.

outlander said 4 months ago ...

I argue with religious people all the time because I think there is a difference between what men made up and what is found in the Bible. I respectfully believe Catholism is one of the most contradictory and wacked out religions that has ever existed. This is partly because of the priest thing, the contraception issue, the trinity, etc.

I don't think any adult needs to be told to be good or have morals I just think people need to be reminded to be good and use the morals they we were taught and this is where religion comes in.

grapekoolaid said 4 months ago ...

So who decides what is made up by men and what is written by God? And found in the Bible? There are plenty of ridiculous things found in the Bible about killing people and not eating stuff and not wearing mixed fabrics and what not. Do you follow any of that at all? Even though it's written in the Bible you don't, right?

People need to be reminded to be good? Maybe. But what I'm saying is "how to be good" isn't in the Bible. It's within you. The Bible may affirm it, but it's not the source of it. You've yet to prove otherwise.

sadsack said 4 months ago ...

One can believe in God with out believing in any organized religion. I was raised a catholic and I still go to mass on most Sundays.But that is because I feel the need to acknowledge the Divine and going to mass is one way of doing that. But it is certainly not the only way. I can feel equally uplifted on a beautiful mountaintop or beside the ocean. They all give me the same sense of wonder of the creator, but it is not so easy for me to go out of the city to a mountain or to the ocean. I can see the church's many shortcomings, but I believe that if only we could only follow the guidelines laid out in the sermon on the mount the world would be a much better place. For me Christianity IS the sermon on the mount. Adam and Eve, and Cain and Abel and the rest of the stories in the old testament are myths.

Because all organized religions have so many flaws it should not mean that we reject everything taught by them. That 'll be a bit like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

I do understand how hard it is not to believe. For years I went through just this process of questioning and doubting. But through reading and personal experience i have now reached a space where I believe that there is a creator so far above us that we cannot possibly understand his mind.Trying to understand the mind of God would be like a blind-worm trying to understand Einstein's thought processes...Its just not possible. Religion is man-made, God is not.

grapekoolaid said 3 months ago ...

sadsack- I agree to a certain extent. A personal relationship anyone has with the divine is something I would never question.

Even people in ancient times knew to take the tale of a talking serpent to be an allegory. The fact that some people nowadays still take the word of the Bible as the literal word of God makes me sad in a sense that some of us living in modernity seem to be more backwards than the uneducated, illiterate desert dwelling sheep herders from two thousand years ago.

"Because all organized religions have so many flaws it should not mean that we reject everything taught by them."

I don't deny that the Judeo Christian faith has had a tremendous impact and influence on the history and development of Western culture. Religion (distinguished from faith) is a font of politics in that sense and it's impossible to extricate or separate one from another. I also don't reject everything taught by the Church. Being a moral relativist that I am, I can pick and choose the parts that agree with my code of morals and ethics. I reject the notion that the Bible is the source of morals and ethics. Instead, I think that people have their own sets of morals and ethics, influenced by their upbringing, culture, religion, etc. The Bible (or at least selective parts of them) only serve to affirm those beliefs. The Bible is not the wellspring of these morals and ethics. In fact, the Bible tells people to do all kinds of messed up things.

As to throwing the baby out with the bathwater, try this analogy on for size: If you see a candy bar sitting in the middle of a pile of poop, would you pick up that candy bar and eat it?

"Religion is man-made, God is not."

The burden of proof is on the believer, not the skeptic. I can't prove that God doesn't exist, just like you can't prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist either.

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