Intelligent Design...

Ignorance, pride, stubbornness...are some of the reasons that people deny the existence of God and His marvelous works. Until one learns humility and embraces acceptance of the things that are unexplainable to him (and others) you really cannot open the door wide enough for God to come into your life.

Human intelligence is as much a miracle as anything else in this universe.. Science is mankind's attempt to make sense of the world around us...that we have understood so much about the world is wonderful, but as Newton himself remarked, "I feel like a child on the sea-shore, marveling at a beautiful shell, while the whole ocean of truth lies undiscovered in front of me...' or words to that effect. The very fact that the universe obeys laws that can be beautifully stated using mathematics means, to me at least, that the universe is not just an accidental result of millenia of chaos, but a deliberate act of creation, of love. The universe is so completely awe-inspiring that to try to explain the mind of the Creator really is heresy.

which bloody god are you talking about ??????

rc: One of my old college profs worked on the Manhattan project, was an incredible physicist (was also a beast of a football player) and an ordained Lutheran minister. He didn't see a cognitive dissonance in that at all. He was exploring his God's wonder.

sadsack: Yes. Awareness is in itself a powerful thing. The jury's still out on the grand intelligence for me. I'm leaning towards not. Even if there were, I doubt it's even concerned with something so insignificance as us.

lucy: Whichever god you pray to, of course. :)

I'm suppose to pray??

Man I've been doing it all wrong....

Here I thought I was in control of my destiny, you know free will and all that.

Are you telling me you don't appeal to a higher power? You don't throw a message out into the universe to anyone who'll listen? :)

yes all the time, but really I'm talking to myself. *-)

I know what you mean. Like I said somewhere before, I send my notes out on to the universe, but they seldom listen. I just wanted to outline this whole ID nonsense from a theological perspective. Being a moral relativist allows me to look at subjects from a myriad of perspectives. :)

Google the word science and when you find the wiki page read it. What I find amazing is right now as you ar reading this comment from a computer or labtop or whatever, you wholeheartedly believe some ancestor from some creature eventually over the course of zillions of years brought about the design of the device you are using by a random set of circumstances but the even a mention that design fits easier than random and here comes the religious slurs. You know ID is not creationism, ID is used in many different types of sciences and supported by a lot of people that are smarter than both me an you.

Here's how you can help yourself. Try to prove ID is a science instead of haphazardly throwing it under a bus.

I have spent years trying to prove evolution and it is always the same exact thing, lots of talk with little evidence. ID doesn't disprove or replace evolution, it just fills in some of the holes evolution leaves behind.

The fact that we have cities and cars, (though not yet flying) doesn't require me to believe in a designer of any kind. It speaks of human ingenuity. The fact that life has evolved to such a complicated organisms like ourselves are completely within the realms of possibilities. It very easily can be a grand cosmic accident.

In cosmological time, human history is just a blip. Not even a blink of an eye. It's within the realms of possibility that we're nothing but a dream of a sleeping giant, a god, or a butterfly. The can be one and the same as well.

I apologize if you feel that I have offended you in some way. It was never my intention to use slurs of any kind, religious or secular. If I had used a word inappropriately, it was probably in the heat of the moment and while I do apologize, you should also take delight in knowing that your words contain enough power to get someone all riled up. Don't even get me started on the power of words.

I mean, look at the series of posts that you and I have written in conversation with one another. That means that in certain degrees (shudder to think) that you have been my muse and I yours. :P

The burden of proof (that ID is a science) is on the proponents of ID, not skeptics.

I've said this before, too. I agree with you that evolution paints an "incomplete" picture of sorts. But that's not because the theory itself is incomplete. The data set with which we are working with is not expansive enough. I gather that will change now with the human genome project and all.

Brilliant, very well said. And certainly I can be a dink. But here in lies the fork in the road between us, it is easier for me to believe in a higher power versus a cosmic accident and this is mainly based on the unexplained and the miraculous.

I understand your position quite well. I don't, however, want God to be an ever diminishing window of unexplained phenomena. God has to be more than just cover "what we don't know", because that is not sufficient. Until we discovered electromagnetism and its effects on climate science, we thought that thunder and lightening was God's anger.

Some still believe that tornadoes (and Katrina, too) are God's punishment for the wicked people on this earth. While I agree that trailer parks can be dens of inequity and villainy, there's a reason why there's a tornado season and it usually strikes in tornado alley. It's not because people in Joplin Missouri were particularly bad. (Though they could be, you never know)