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Convenience vs Privacy

This is a huge issue for me with yakkstr and I have a hard time balancing it. For starters, I don't require an email address for accounts. One of my motivations for the site is to be a place for people to talk about things without tying it to their real identity.

But I also want the site to be convenient for users to let others know about their posts, or other posts they find interesting. That's why there is the twitter, google+, and facebook buttons on each post. But these buttons pose some privacy problems.

Here's a quote from Richard Stallman, he's the author of much of the software the internet runs on. He's also the founder of the Free Software Foundation

“Facebook does massive surveillance. If there is a ‘like’ button in a page, Facebook knows who visited that page. And it can get IP address of the computer visiting the page even if the person is not a Facebook user. So you visit several pages that have ‘like’ button and Facebook knows that you visited all of those, even if it doesn’t really know who you are,” he said. source

Most people don't understand how this stuff works, so let me try to explain. When you come to yakkstr.com your computer sends a request to the yakkstr server. Yakkstr can see the address of your computer, which it needs to send you the page you requested.

So far so good. Now each of those buttons (twitter, google+, and facebook) makes a request to the servers for those companies. So the twitter button makes your computer send a request to twitter, and now twitter knows your computers address and they know which page you viewed on yakkstr. It's the same for facebook and google. If you happen to be logged into your facebook account then they also know what your facebook account is. The same is also true for the ads which come from google.

This bothers me at some level, but users also want the ease of use that comes from this sort of setup. As time grows I'm becoming more concerned about the privacy implications of these things.

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starchini said 6 months ago ...

I've never shared this site with anyone, wouldnt' want anyone I know coming here : / ... its miiine! But so long as they are only using the info for there own marketing surveying info and not tattling on me, im ok with it.

reckoner said 6 months ago ...

One of the big problems is that the government is known to send them requests for data on people, and often they attach a gag order to it. Twitter publicly fought one of these not too long ago.

cuppa-java said 6 months ago ...

I fully agree with you,I will also be coming back to this post as I have a very relevant story to tell,about the dangers of social network sites

starchini said 6 months ago ...

So lets pretend I had blogged about...idk...blowing up the whitehouse (@ the government: just an example im not in any way a threat to our great nation. : ) ... Then somehow the Secret Service read it and would asky ou for all my info and you'd have to give it to them?

Im confused about how much you know about all of us cause of our IP's and you being all techy and what not, your prolly understand exactly what the IPs mean.

Also I dont know what a Gag Order is...

cuppa-java said 6 months ago ...

Hey Star'......as I said in my reply,I will come back to this post tomorrow from. a pc. and not my mobile, as I am now. Facwbook has bwen found guilty recently of illegally exploiting their user data base of over 800 million people.They can follow your movements even if you are not on facebook,because every computer or smart phone that has internet connectivity has whats called an IP address This is an internet protocol address,which enables the target site to pinpoint your geographical location,so they know exactly where to find you,and can possibly even hack into ur machine. A gag order,is a court issued order placed on the company that prevents them from speaking abt the case at hand

starchini said 6 months ago ...

ahhh, seems I will learn a lot after a while : )

d6fer said 6 months ago ...

I can understand your concern....on one level I can understand the practical use of such information to make your internet experience better, but on another level it's like anything else, it can be abused if the wrong people get a hold of it.

cntlvemnuf said 6 months ago ...

So in layman's term, there is no such thing as 'anonymous' blogging on here since my IP address pretty much gives out not only my identity but also my vicinity to anyone who knows how to track it?

reckoner said 6 months ago ...

It doesn't give out your identity to me. If you are logged into Facebook, google, etc, they can see that you came here, and know what your google account is.

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