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Government employees aren't the problem

"But now the right is going after public employees.

Public servants are convenient scapegoats. Republicans would rather deflect attention from corporate executive pay that continues to rise as corporate profits soar, even as corporations refuse to hire more workers. They don't want stories about Wall Street bonuses, now higher than before taxpayers bailed out the Street. And they'd like to avoid a spotlight on the billions raked in by hedge-fund and private-equity managers whose income is treated as capital gains and subject to only a 15 percent tax, due to a loophole in the tax laws designed specifically for them.

It's far more convenient to go after people who are doing the public's work -- sanitation workers, police officers, fire fighters, teachers, social workers, federal employees -- to call them "faceless bureaucrats" and portray them as hooligans who are making off with your money and crippling federal and state budgets. The story fits better with the Republican's Big Lie that our problems are due to a government that's too big."

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sean_renaud said over 1 year ago ...

To be fair its an easy lie to keep up. In California you can look at say LA's drop out rate and say if teachers want more money they should produce. (it's impossible by the way that you aren't paying them enough to perform.) And hey the rest of us are making less why aren't government workers getting laid off too! Nevermind that less people with less money would most likely add to the lack of spending cus that's not important in the least. What's important is spreading the pain as far as possible.

d6fer said over 1 year ago ...

Number of Full-Time Federal Employees - 2,518,101 Part-Time - 250,785 Full-Time State - 3,818,577 Part-Time - 1,451,002 Full-Time Local - 11,039,250 Part-Time - 3,383,976

TOTAL - 22,461,691

2008 US Population (est) - 304,059,724

% of Gov't employees - 7.38%

Inverse - 13.536

So this means that there's a government employee for every 13.5 people in the country.

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d6fer said over 1 year ago ...

oops....sorry about the link....I copied it from another source.....supposedly it is 2008 census data

sean_renaud said over 1 year ago ...

I got no problem with 13% of Americans being government employed. That means 87% are in the private sector. And that 13% (unless specifically stated i'm searching your link) includes the military, FBI, Homeland Security. Since that's just Federal I suspect that the total number of government employees are probably close or a little over 20% since teachers and cops (and mayors, and local government employees) are in there too.

reckoner said over 1 year ago ...

1,477,896 are active duty military.

over 600,000 are local police, over 300,000 are firefighters.

I stopped looking at this point. Unless you want to halve the military, which I'm all for, we don't have a problem.

sean_renaud said over 1 year ago ...

I assume Reckonger that the 600k Local Police and 300k Firefighters are State employees and not on that list. (Which is why I upped the numbers)

I'm not for halfing the military for the record. As much as we spend I think we do a lot of good with a lot of our over seas operations and also our ability to threaten. Think you can meet me halfway. I want a 25% cut phased in. I also want to eliminate Medicare and the VA and replace it with whatever in the nine hells France/Canada has and then a souped up version for our Vets. I want to raise SS from 65 to 70 (or ideally 75 but I'm trying to negotiate from the get go)

The only thing I'm not clear on is how to improve/increase wealth period. I know from simple checks of the Marines background that the problem with not forcing the geezers out is that if there is no room at the top the middle floods. If the middle floods then the bottom can't move up. If the bottom can't move up it's hard to convince them to work hard to enter a middle that is flooded and they can't enter.

reckoner said over 1 year ago ...

d6's total number included local government.

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